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Since it gets released tonight I figure I'll start the thread now.

I'm not seeing it until Saturday but luckily I don't have internet set up in my new house so I won't have to worry about running into spoilers.

Initial reviews say that it is unbelievable.  

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Just saw it. Absolutely loved it and it was packed with so much awesome that to dissect the awesome would be to do it a disservice.

Instead, I'd like to talk a bit about how surprised I am that this movie subverted my expectations when it came to certain things like Snoke and Rey's parentage. I think it actually works in the franchise's favor, as it could have easily leaned into fan theories about Snoke being Darth Plagueis or Ray being Kenobi's kid. The fact that they killed Snoke halfway through the movie and that Rey's parents are nobodies, I think that's ballsy, and shows how confident they are in the story they're telling that they don't need to set up obvious payoffs to please fans. I also think it sends some stronger messages by leaning into the true conflict being about Rey vs. Kylo.

However, this also means I have absolutely no idea where the next movie is heading. I mean, Empire set up obvious hooks for Jedi, and even Force Awakens left so many questions for this movie, that it's a little surprising that pretty much everything seems more or less wrapped up by the end of this movie except for the core conflict. Maybe that's a good thing as it means unlike Force Awakens, where people could mass theorize, this movie leaves no real margin to speculate, which means the creators are free to do whatever the fuck they want. There's no expectation at this point.

I will say I still have no idea how they're going to handle Leia in the next movie, since she's clearly alive at the end of this one and seems to still be a major part in things. I do get that  they're grooming Poe to be the new leader the Rebels center around, so maybe that will play some role? It's a mystery and I'm a little afraid of what the result will be.

Finally, RIP Luke Skywalker. You rose out of the darkness to a last fair morning. The fact that he basically projected himself across the galaxy just to con Kylo, that was pretty awesome.

Anyway, two years seems so far away...

 

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3 hours ago, TaNbULL said:

Saw this last night. I like it a lot, but man it does some stuff that I really hated.

I am curious what you hated and if it jives with my observations.

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There was a lot i loved and a lot that annoyed me. Leading with that, the biggest thing far and away is the pissy humor that permeates the entire script. I haven't seen The Force Awakens since it released, so maybe I was blinded by nostalgia to notice it then, but it felt way more out of hand here. It's not that I don't want the movie to be fun, but man, it seemed nearly every scene needed to be undercut by a lame punchline, and it gives you a bit of distance from the film when it's constantly winking at you and reminding you that it's all just a movie. 

And in a similar vein, I think if you cropped nearly everything involving Finn this would be a truly great Star Wars movie. He was my favorite character in TFA, but here he's relegated to this B-plot that's ultimately completely pointless and feels like it exists largely to introduce some new characters and give him and Poe something to do. 

 

Now, the good... first and foremost, Rian Johnson directed the hell out of this movie. It was packed with jaw-dropping imagery and setpieces--too many to name, really, but specifically the Admiral lady jumping to lightspeed through the fleet was some of the coolest shit ever. I actually think it was to the film's detriment that it still had a whole nother act trying to follow that, because it couldn't be done. 

Beyond that, Johnson did some really fascinating digging into what the Force truly is, and that along with the surrounding drama between Rey, Kylo, and Luke is the highlight of the movie and really elevates not only the movie but the entire franchise. It goes from, as Rey put it, a vague power that lets you read minds and move rocks, to something deeper conveys just how powerful it is, and the question is raised of how intoxicating and terrifying the dark side can be. My favorite scene in the whole movie was Rey's almost-psychedelic first encounter with the force with Luke's help. While he fully adhered to the blockbuster conventions that define Star Wars, Johnson sprinkled these more vague, psychological and cosmic elements enough to keep it fresh and I really hope he gets to cut loose with the these instincts in his trilogy. 

Aside from that, Ren and Rey's relationship was another high point and something that I hope is more of a focus in the endgame of the next movie, where in this one it's largely brushed aside for the final act. It wasn't too noticeable at the time, though, because Luke's return was terrific. 

 

In response to Pen, i think the ending was one that was setting up a time jump. When we return, Kylo will have been ruling the First Order for a while, the Rebellion will have grown with Rey being more powerful, maybe more padawan Jedi, and Leia probably goes peacefully during the gap. 

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I'll also say that I'm seeing a lot of fan backlash, which isn't surprising. The parts of the movie that were actually bad gives that group tangible ammo, but most of what it seems like pretty standard nerd stuff, mad that they "ruined" the characters they love or they didn't get enough screen time, etc. 

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5 minutes ago, pen said:

I am curious what you hated and if it jives with my observations.

I'm curious if you agree with my issues, as I haven't really been able to talk to many people about this movie just yet.

1) Leia getting blown out into space and then using The Force to survive and basically fly back to the ship really irked me. I get that she's Force Sensitive, but something about that scene bothered me.

2) I didn't like how easily Snoke was defeated. They built him up in Force Awakens like he was this super badass, he's super powerful with the Force, but he couldn't see that Kylo was going to kill him? For someone as strong in the Force as he appeared to be and not be able to sense the lightsaber beside him moving was pretty lame. I have no problem with him dying, just wish it had been something cooler. However, the ensuing fight scene where Rey and Kylo take out the guards was amazing and kind of made up for it.

3) I felt Fin was severely underused. His entire mission seemed pointless in the grand scheme since nothing he set out to do got accomplished. Not to mention Rose was extremely annoying. Maz felt shoehorned in to say HEY THERE IS ONLY ONE PERSON THAT CAN DO THIS, and then you find out later that wasn't the case.

4) Laura Dern's character (cant remember her name) could have just told Poe what her plan was all along and he never would have sent Fin and Rose on their mission. He was a pretty high ranking guy in the resistance and she withheld information from him for what? Then we're supposed to feel for her when she sacrificed herself to let them get away, when if she had just been honest with him in the first place they'd all be alive.

5) Phasma was underused AGAIN and then seemingly killed off easily. It felt like the only reason they had Fin go on this mission was so they had an excuse for him and Phasma to meet up and fight. And the fight wasn't even great.

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Thoughts...

- First the good...I wasn't nearly as much a fan of Poe as everyone else was after The Force Awakens but he totally won me over in this movie. I imagine he'll be the new leader of the Resistance with Leia not in the next film. Mark Hamill was fucking amazing. While it was kind of a ripoff of the end of Return of the Jedi and you kinda knew Kylo was gonna turn on Snoke because of Snoke's weird instigating, it was still awesome how Kylo killed Snoke and then him and Rey teaming up to fight those others guys. Sadly, he became evil again a few seconds later.

- I suspected going into this movie that Finn would be doing some pointless busy work because he was paired up with this new character and sadly, this was exactly the case. Finn is my favorite of the new characters and it sucked seeing him wasted on some pointless mission (that for some odd reason was kept a secret from Resistance leadership). Rose was a crappy character and I don't like how it seems that they're retconning Finn to be in an eventual relationship with her instead of Rey. I want him and Rey to pair up at the end but I guess the powers that be see it as a sign of weakness if a "strong female character" like Rey falls in love. I was sad when I thought Finn was going to die and then I got super happy when Rose saved him and was going to die instead. Sucks she survived.

- There were a ton of bullshit coincidences that annoyed me. Ghost Luke just appears in that structure at the end but it actually happens to be from the direction where they can escape. There were a lot of other weird things...this bracelet thing on the Falcon that I'm pretty sure has never been in any other movie before just being there all of a sudden and somehow ghost Luke can physically hand it to Leia. Leia using the Force which is fine but it looked so goofy and got laughs in my theater. A lot of stuff that wasn't meant to be funny got laughs.

- Knights of Ren,Snoke's backstory, Maz having Luke's lightsaber...hopefully J.J. can answer some of the questions he raised in the first movie that Rian Johnson decided to ignore in this movie.

- I'm happy that Rey isn't related to any of the characters in this series. It'd be kinda dumb if everyone was a Skywalker. I just don't get the point of them making a big deal about who her parents were. Why couldn't she have just been like Finn and they instantly establish that she wasn't previously associated with anyone?

- The porgs were cute but were totally useless and were only included to shamelessly try to sell merchandise. At least the Ewoks served a purpose in the story. And Phasma was a total waste. Maybe three minutes of screen time in two movies and now she's dead. I feel like she was also only included to sell merchandise. I did like that final shot of seeing her eye through the mask before she died.

- I loved Han but his death made sense for the story so I was totally fine with it at the time. But in this movie Kylo hesitates to kill Leia so he's still not entirely committed to being evil so it made Han's death kinda pointless.

- Luke's death infuriated me. There was no reason for him to die, other than they wanted his awesome character to stop taking the spotlight from the much less interesting Rey. The Force ghost stuff in this movie was so dumb. Dead Yoda can change the weather. Why didn't he have Vader get struck by lightning? Luke sending his decoy to a whole other planet? Way too far-fetched. They hype up this big lightsaber battle and I suspected it was too good to be true. I kinda had a feeling they were gonna go with some bullshit Gran Torino ending. J.J. Abrams would've given the people what they wanted. Rian Johnson has to outsmart us.

- They said that this movie was going to feature a fight scene between BB-8 and the evil BB robot. They were building towards that near the end and I was super bummed it never happened.

- There are people who aren't picking sides on the war (Del Toro's character) and there is no backup for the Resistance at the end. So they sorta made this whole war seem like a petty battle between two groups instead of a big world war that everyone is involved in. There were also the casino world people getting rich off of the war. I didn't like any of that. It made this war seem less important than it should feel.

- Luke is dead, Snoke is dead, Phasma is dead, Rey has mastered the force. Someone forgot to tell Rian Johnson that there was supposed to be one movie left. Say what you will about The Force Awakens but it left people dying to see the next one. I don't feel that way after seeing The Last Jedi.

1. Return of the Jedi
2. The Empire Strikes Back
3. Revenge of the Sith
4. A New Hope
5. The Force Awakens
6. Attack of the Clones
7. The Last Jedi
8. Rogue One
9. The Phantom Menace

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9 hours ago, Ruiner II said:

it seemed nearly every scene needed to be undercut by a lame punchline

Guardians of the Galaxy came out and now every blockbuster action movie forces in jokes every second. I hated when Hux walks in where Snoke died and you see part of his body fall off the chair. Super serious scene that preceded that and they foolishly turned it into a joke. 

8 hours ago, TaNbULL said:

Then we're supposed to feel for her when she sacrificed herself to let them get away

She was at odds with Poe for the entire movie and then before she dies she tells Leia that she likes Poe. That was a lame way to try to get the audience to like her before she died.

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9 hours ago, Ruiner II said:

Leading with that, the biggest thing far and away is the pissy humor that permeates the entire script. I haven't seen The Force Awakens since it released, so maybe I was blinded by nostalgia to notice it then, but it felt way more out of hand here. It's not that I don't want the movie to be fun, but man, it seemed nearly every scene needed to be undercut by a lame punchline, and it gives you a bit of distance from the film when it's constantly winking at you and reminding you that it's all just a movie. 

And in a similar vein, I think if you cropped nearly everything involving Finn this would be a truly great Star Wars movie. He was my favorite character in TFA, but here he's relegated to this B-plot that's ultimately completely pointless and feels like it exists largely to introduce some new characters and give him and Poe something to do. 

Aside from that, Ren and Rey's relationship was another high point and something that I hope is more of a focus in the endgame of the next movie, where in this one it's largely brushed aside for the final act. It wasn't too noticeable at the time, though, because Luke's return was terrific. 

In response to Pen, i think the ending was one that was setting up a time jump. When we return, Kylo will have been ruling the First Order for a while, the Rebellion will have grown with Rey being more powerful, maybe more padawan Jedi, and Leia probably goes peacefully during the gap. 

Wanted to touch on each of these points in turn.

1. On some level I do understand people having criticisms about too much humor in a "serious" movie, as people have the same with Marvel films of late, but it doesn't really bother me because I feel like as long as the humor isn't taking away from the serious moments, then it's fine. Life is full of funny moments and sometimes people deal with tense situations with humor. It's the cornerstone of Spider-Man. I don't feel that this movie pushed on the humor too hard and I like that it has some levity, like in Force Awakens with the stormtroopers that turned smartly round while Kylo Ren was having his tantrum. Moments like the start with Poe trolling Hux and Rey asking Kylo to put on some clothes; listen, to me that's not taking away from the tenseness of what's going on. It adds a more human element that makes the movie as a whole more enjoyable and makes the characters more likable, or at least it does for me.

2. I had no issue with Finn's b-plot as at the time it made perfect sense in relation to Poe's development, showed some cool action sequences, and illustrated a side of the war that we wouldn't get to see normally; the people profiting off of the fighting and living it up. I feel like it was worth touching upon. I understand in a three hour movie, it's natural to focus on things that don't have bearing on the overall story as being excessive, but I like these little vignettes that are maybe not directly relevant to the plot, but more peripheral and help color in the picture, so to speak.

3. I agree that the relationship was intriguing and I fully believe the next movie will lean heavily into this as I don't see where else it would really go. I don't know if Rey will keep trying to turn Kylo, but I expect the dynamic between the two will take center stage as they cement their new positions in the New Order and the Resistance.

4. To that end, I think you're right about a possible time jump. It would make the most sense in terms of allowing for Leia to not show in the next film. They could have Poe taking over as leader as they're obviously aiming for, and showcase Rey and Kylo as more confident in their roles. Certainly I don't expect it to pick up where this one ended like this did for Force Awakens.

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8 hours ago, TaNbULL said:

I'm curious if you agree with my issues, as I haven't really been able to talk to many people about this movie just yet.

1) Leia getting blown out into space and then using The Force to survive and basically fly back to the ship really irked me. I get that she's Force Sensitive, but something about that scene bothered me.

2) I didn't like how easily Snoke was defeated. They built him up in Force Awakens like he was this super badass, he's super powerful with the Force, but he couldn't see that Kylo was going to kill him? For someone as strong in the Force as he appeared to be and not be able to sense the lightsaber beside him moving was pretty lame. I have no problem with him dying, just wish it had been something cooler. However, the ensuing fight scene where Rey and Kylo take out the guards was amazing and kind of made up for it.

3) I felt Fin was severely underused. His entire mission seemed pointless in the grand scheme since nothing he set out to do got accomplished. Not to mention Rose was extremely annoying. Maz felt shoehorned in to say HEY THERE IS ONLY ONE PERSON THAT CAN DO THIS, and then you find out later that wasn't the case.

4) Laura Dern's character (cant remember her name) could have just told Poe what her plan was all along and he never would have sent Fin and Rose on their mission. He was a pretty high ranking guy in the resistance and she withheld information from him for what? Then we're supposed to feel for her when she sacrificed herself to let them get away, when if she had just been honest with him in the first place they'd all be alive.

5) Phasma was underused AGAIN and then seemingly killed off easily. It felt like the only reason they had Fin go on this mission was so they had an excuse for him and Phasma to meet up and fight. And the fight wasn't even great.

1. At first this did bother me but partially because I didn't really understand what happened at first. I wasn't sure if we were seeing Force Ghost Leia or what was going on. I think it's mainly because I'm not used to Leia showing overt signs of being Force-sensitive, but in the end I'm actually okay with it, because it makes sense she would've at least learned something from Luke as time passed, and it's cool that we got to see Leia do something with the Force in film. Granted, they could've just had her be in a coma without the blast into space, but it made for a cool visual, so (shrugs).

2. I feel like this was the only way they could have killed him, since he is so obviously more powerful than Kylo and Rey and they wouldn't be able to touch him in a direct fight. I also think it makes a lot of sense in terms of the general theme of hubris that runs through the series. Everyone suffers from hubris, the Sith, the Jedi, everyone. Snoke thought he was untouchable and that was his undoing. I mean, Kylo was making the same motions for both lightsabers and if Snoke is so smug, he's going to see what he expects to see, because that's what he expects. I think it's very appropriate Snoke went out like he did, because that's pretty much what happened to Palpatine. 

3. Finn's mission only seems pointless in retrospect because Poe didn't have all the necessary information about what was really going on and DJ was a fucking rat. Which actually, I dunno, I think it's interesting that we see the heroes try to carry out a plan and ultimately fail, because the heroes can't win every battle. I also think it wasn't pointless from a spectacle perspective as I stated above in my reply to Ruiner, but I should also mention I didn't find Rose annoying, so I guess that would probably skew your viewpoint. I will concede that we probably didn't need Maz to show up since she didn't affect the plot very much and ultimately she was proved wrong about needing the best, but then again, she doesn't know everything and everyone that exists, and frankly, for a mission like that, I'd want to have the best available anyway, because it could very easily turn into a suicide mission. I am willing to accept they turned to Maz to get information and she provided the best information she had available. Best laid plans went awry. (shrugs)

4. I actually don't have an issue with Holdo's actions because to side with Poe is to miss the point of Poe's journey through the movie. Poe is impulsive and rash. His stunt at the start of the movie caused casualties they couldn't really afford, which is why he was demoted. The point Holdo was making is that Poe shouldn't need to know the plan in order to do his duty and carry out the orders. The more people that know secret information, the easier it is for it to get out, and Poe should've recognized that, recognized the chain of command, the seriousness of the situation, and not basically do what amounted to throwing a tantrum. In fact, if you want to get down to brass tacks, he really fucked up by not simply accepting Holdo's authority, because if he hadn't sent Finn to get DJ, then DJ wouldn't have sold them out to Hux, which led to the events of the final act. That's why Poe recognizing Luke trying to buy them an escape at the end is meaningful; because Poe is finally starting to understand that sometimes running to fight another day is the smarter action to ensure the Resistance's survival. And since he's being obviously groomed for leadership, it's important that he understands these lessons. So I'm actually with Holdo on this one.

5. I dunno, I liked the fight, but I also agree Phasma was underutilized to the extreme. I almost wasn't sure she was still in the movie since she showed up so late. It's a shame that the character is very obviously dead now, but I guess someone has to be the Boba Fett of this trilogy...

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30 minutes ago, Mike said:

I want him and Rey to pair up at the end but I guess the powers that be see it as a sign of weakness if a "strong female character" like Rey falls in love. I was sad when I thought Finn was going to die and then I got super happy when Rose saved him and was going to die instead. Sucks she survived.

- There were a ton of bullshit coincidences that annoyed me. Ghost Luke just appears in that structure at the end but it actually happens to be from the direction where they can escape.

- Knights of Ren,Snoke's backstory, Maz having Luke's lightsaber...hopefully J.J. can answer some of the questions he raised in the first movie that Rian Johnson decided to ignore in this movie.

- I'm happy that Rey isn't related to any of the characters in this series. It'd be kinda dumb if everyone was a Skywalker. I just don't get the point of them making a big deal about who her parents were. Why couldn't she have just been like Finn and they instantly establish that she wasn't previously associated with anyone?

- Luke's death infuriated me. There was no reason for him to die, other than they wanted his awesome character to stop taking the spotlight from the much less interesting Rey. The Force ghost stuff in this movie was so dumb. Dead Yoda can change the weather. Why didn't he have Vader get struck by lightning? Luke sending his decoy to a whole other planet? Way too far-fetched. They hype up this big lightsaber battle and I suspected it was too good to be true. I kinda had a feeling they were gonna go with some bullshit Gran Torino ending. J.J. Abrams would've given the people what they wanted. Rian Johnson has to outsmart us.

- There are people who aren't picking sides on the war (Del Toro's character) and there is no backup for the Resistance at the end. So they sorta made this whole war seem like a petty battle between two groups instead of a big world war that everyone is involved in. There were also the casino world people getting rich off of the war. I didn't like any of that. It made this war seem less important than it should feel.

- I actually wonder now if they're pairing off Rey and Poe. I didn't realize until the end of this movie that Poe and Rey actually hadn't officially met each other. The other option would be pairing off Rey and Kylo, like Rey has Kylo turn, but I highly doubt it. Maybe if Kylo had stayed on the light, but I think that ship has sailed now.

- I don't think that bit with Ghost Luke was a coincidence. It would make sense he'd appear from that direction if his whole ruse was to help them escape --- he'd want to show them that there is an escape.

- I'm not sure Maz having Luke's lightsaber actually matters that much in the long run. I mean, why does any artifact wind up in the hands of anyone? I don't expect the answer to be some great revelation that's plot relevant.

- I think the purpose in highlighting Rey's parentage wasn't to make people question whose child she was, but to highlight her own desire to be someone significant. That was something touched upon several times in this movie, that Rey thought learning who her parents were would help give her answers, but it doesn't work that way.

- I actually think it was thematically important that Luke passed on. The whole core of this movie for Luke is him coming to terms with what happened to Kylo and regaining his hope in the future, which he found in Rey. He's passing the torch of the Jedi to Rey to establish what that means. For him to continue on kind of defeats the purpose of passing that torch. Plus, it's obvious him doing that decoy from so far away put an immense exertion on him; it would be more ridiculous if he did that without any consequence. Him doing it as a last-ditch effort to help the Resistance makes more sense and highlights the direness of the situation.

- Actually, I think it does the opposite. I think it shows a grander scope of what's going on. It makes sense that there would be people profiteering off the war because it's like that in any war scenario. People like DJ existed in the original trilogy: Han himself didn't care about the Rebellion or the Empire at first until he was caught in the middle. It doesn't lessen the scope of the war, it widens it. Not everyone is going to be on one side or the other, some are just people trying to survive in this crazy Star War. As for the backup, we don't know what that means. It could just mean people have lost hope, which seems to be a big thing in the film. It doesn't have to mean "there's no backup because no one cares about what's happening".

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I actually didn't like that Poe was a reckless jackass the entire movie who ultimately did more harm than good and a good ending for him wasn't really earned. 

And I was happy with the amount of comedy in The Force Awakens, it just felt so prominent in this one, and I think that the jokes were worse is part of it too. The Stormtroopers avoiding Kylo throwing a fit was subtle and funny, the movie opening up telling you about this life and death struggle and the opening dialogue is Poe and Hux doing a bit right out of a bad sitcom is just jarring. 

It feels like there had to be jokes and humor in the movie because that's what's in these days, but maybe Rian Johnson isn't terribly good at writing comedy so this is what we got. Not all of it was bad--I liked the bit with Luke whacking Rey's hand when she was trying to feel the Force, for example, but when something is trying so hard to cute and the joke doesn't land it really cuts the tension. 

I, for the life of me, don't understand all the hooplah about Phasma not getting a lot screen time. She's pretty cool, yeah, but she's never been anything more than a bit henchman character. I don't even remember her being referred to by name in either movie. 

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1 minute ago, Ruiner II said:

I actually didn't like that Poe was a reckless jackass the entire movie who ultimately did more harm than good and a good ending for him wasn't really earned. 

And I was happy with the amount of comedy in The Force Awakens, it just felt so prominent in this one, and I think that the jokes were worse is part of it too. The Stormtroopers avoiding Kylo throwing a fit was subtle and funny, the movie opening up telling you about this life and death struggle and the opening dialogue is Poe and Hux doing a bit right out of a bad sitcom is just jarring. 

It feels like there had to be jokes and humor in the movie because that's what's in these days, but maybe Rian Johnson isn't terribly good at writing comedy so this is what we got. Not all of it was bad--I liked the bit with Luke whacking Rey's hand when she was trying to feel the Force, for example, but when something is trying so hard to cute and the joke doesn't land it really cuts the tension. 

I, for the life of me, don't understand all the hooplah about Phasma not getting a lot screen time. She's pretty cool, yeah, but she's never been anything more than a bit henchman character. I don't even remember her being referred to by name in either movie. 

- Actually, the more I talk about Poe, the more I hope he smartens up in the next movie, cause it's really becoming clear to me that his jackassery pretty much wrote the plot.

- I dunno, I liked the exchange. I will admit it jarred me a little too because I wasn't expecting the movie to start with a comedic bit, but it made me laugh and made the audience in my theater laugh, and it does seem like something in character for Poe, so I'm ultimately fine with it. I'm fine with most things that end up making me smile.

- Thank you for reminding me about that bit with Rey and Luke, I actually forgot about that, and that was hilarious. "I feel something!"

- She was referred to by name in this movie at least, but like I said above, Boba Fetts gotta Boba Fett.

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I also don't totally mind the idea of the war as a generally bad thing that some people want nothing to do with, assuming they go somewhere with it. And any other ideas Star Wars ever wants to borrow from Saga, go right ahead, because that's the closest that text will ever get to a proper big screen treatment. 

I have been finding more and more that there's an eternal conflict with adult me and Star Wars because my ideal version of Star Wars wouldn't be Star Wars, and it would probably lose a LOT of money.

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Wow, after reading you guy's comments I have no interest in seeing this movie. I expected them to kill off Luke, but did they really need to kill of Admiral Ackbar too ? I love how everyone who hated the prequels was excited that George Lucas handed it over to Disney but now they might be changing their tune.

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4 hours ago, RainbowDragon said:

Wow, after reading you guy's comments I have no interest in seeing this movie. I expected them to kill off Luke, but did they really need to kill of Admiral Ackbar too ? I love how everyone who hated the prequels was excited that George Lucas handed it over to Disney but now they might be changing their tune.

You're really upset that a character who had one memorable line in the whole saga was killed off? Get the fuck out of here. 

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The more I sit on this, the more I love the stuff I loved and the less I care about the issues. In fact, though I had little intention to do so walking out of it, I'm actually wanting to see it again. I can't think of the First Order fleet getting ripped in two without smiling and wanting to experience it again--it was such a moment, a packed theater all at once gasping and laughing in wonder at this truly spectacular image. 

I really hope Abrams follows Johnson's lead here and doesn't make Fanservice Wars II. 

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Also, trailer talk real quick:

Ready Player One and Jurassic World 2 both look really, really stupid.

There was some kid's movie about other dimensions or something that looked like the dorkiest shit ever. 

And finally, as much as I don't care about Marvel movies and haven't watched any of them in years outside of Civil War... Infinity War looks pretty incredible. I imagine once the actual movie comes out everyone will be cracking jokes in the face of this dire threat to all of life, but great, great trailer. 

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38 minutes ago, Ruiner II said:

Also, trailer talk real quick:

Ready Player One and Jurassic World 2 both look really, really stupid.

There was some kid's movie about other dimensions or something that looked like the dorkiest shit ever. 

I dunno, I think Jurassic World 2 looks like stupid fun, at least.

By kid's movie, do you mean the movie based off the classic children's novel A Wrinkle In Time? Because I thought the trailer looked pretty cool, myself.

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5 hours ago, pen said:

You're really upset that a character who had one memorable line in the whole saga was killed off? Get the fuck out of here. 

Still an iconic character, bro. That's one thing that makes the Star Wars universe great and unique is that small or background characters become popular and iconic. 

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17 hours ago, pen said:

1. I didn't realize until the end of this movie that Poe and Rey actually hadn't officially met each other.

2. I'm not sure Maz having Luke's lightsaber actually matters that much in the long run.

1. Lol right after they met I was immediately trying to think of all the scenes with them in VII. I couldn't believe they never met. I think they were on the resistance base together at the end of the movie but they never met obviously.

2. Honestly I think the whole deal with Luke's lightsaber is sorta overrated. It's just an object that isn't really important. Plus, as a big Return of the Jedi fan, I like the green saber better anyways. It's just that TFA brought up where it came from and made it seem important so I assumed there was a reason for that. The thing even gave Rey her visions. TFA was even originally going to open with Luke's hand in space and then the saber falls out of his hand.

17 hours ago, Ruiner II said:

1. opening dialogue is Poe and Hux doing a bit right out of a bad sitcom

2. I, for the life of me, don't understand all the hooplah about Phasma not getting a lot screen time.

3. In fact, though I had little intention to do so walking out of it, I'm actually wanting to see it again.

4. I really hope Abrams follows Johnson's lead here and doesn't make Fanservice Wars II.

5. Jurassic World 2 both look really, really stupid.

6. Infinity War looks pretty incredible.

1. That was awful. It didn't even feel like a Star Wars movie at that point.
2. I think people, myself included, are more upset that the actress portraying the part didn't have more of a role. It had less to do with the character.
3. Oh yeah. Same with me. I'll probably see it again on my vacation in a few weeks.
4. I can't wait to see a nice crowd-pleasing fan service sequel.
5. I'm not a Jurassic Park fan. I never saw Jurassic World. The trailer for the new one looks terrible.
6. It really does. I love the use of the Avengers theme song...which is pretty much the only memorable movie theme song since the '90s. Lots of bad composers out there.

12 hours ago, RainbowDragon said:

1. did they really need to kill of Admiral Ackbar too?

2. I love how everyone who hated the prequels was excited that George Lucas handed it over to Disney but now they might be changing their tune.

1. The actor who played him died so he likely wouldn't have been in the next movie anyways.

2. I've never jumped off the George Lucas bandwagon. The guy created the greatest movie franchise ever and he loses all credibility with people just because of The Phantom Menace. Each prequel was significantly better than the one that came before it. I would've loved to have seen what his vision would've been for the sequel trilogy. Mark Hamill said it would've been very different but he didn't reveal anything about the story.

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Im one of the few who actually likes the Phantom Menace. The kid who plays Anakin gets shit on just as much the guy who played him as an adult but to me the kid was better.

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